Dads on Books

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"I'm Mike Walker. I'm David Patrick. We are 'Dads on Books'. But, we are 'Dads on Books'. We're addicted to books, we sit on books and we even talk about books." "Welcome to another episode of 'Dads on Books'.

Mike 0:22
Uhhhm, here we are, again,

David 0:26
"Mmmm-hmm,

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together.... " for the first time."

David 0:33
I'm going to say something here in a second. I'll pause so you can easily cut it out, so here's the

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"B-but,

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pause."

but-are we recording?"

Mike 0:41
"Yes. I thought we started."

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"Unnpaw's. Um…

Mike 0:45
I'm Mike Walker.

David 0:46
I'm David Patrick.

Mike 0:49
"And this

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is dad."

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"Zon

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"On

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Books."

David 0:54
Books! We are two dads with a million hundred books and so little

Mike 1:00
"Absolutely.

David 1:00
time."

Mike 1:01
The list is just growing from all of children recommending books to us now that we're doing this." "Yes?"

David 1:07
"Yeah, and even people on the street, strangers I meet ver-my dermatologist recommending books."

Mike 1:13
"People on the streets, the strangers you meet?"

David 1:15
"Oh,

Mike 1:16
really? Man. It's like you're a writer."

David 1:18
"Hahaha! Or something."

Mike 1:20
"Or

David 1:21
it." "Okay.

Mike 1:22
Okay,

David 1:22
So, let's get straight to it. when Mike and I were discussing a few weeks ago, what books to do next?" "Uh, he had picked 'Wayside Stories' which was our-I'm sorry, the 'Sideways Stories from Wayside School' which we did last week or last episode. And he said, "Hey, you go find one too." And, uh, I couldn't think of one. But we did decide we'd want to do one that's not pre-K and that's stuff. We wanted to go forward, so I wanted to find something comparable. And I did what I do. I went to my girls' bedrooms and the playroom, which she'll be shot to learn. Book shelves, left and right. Wall to wall books.

Mike 1:54
"Shocking."

David 1:56
just, and, and I one of the Dan Gutman books and I thought, "Yes!" And, uh, these are some books that I don't think my kids read them as school assignments. Hey, I should mention this at this point. My girls go to a small Catholic school and they read a lot of books for school. But to save money for parents and everyone, the school has all those books at school. So, for example, when the eighth graders read to Kill a Mockingbird, they've got 40 copies of to Kill a Mockingbird. So, the girls are rarely bringing home books if they read for school assignments, but they bring home library books from school, they bring home books from the school, classroom libraries. I have no idea where my girls got introduced to this. I just know that they did and their hilarious.

Mike 2:45
Mm hm.

David 2:45
Go ahead.

Mike 2:46
Uh, I was just gonna say that, uh, I know exactly where I found out about this book.

David 2:53
Where's that, Mike

Mike 2:53
That would be, uh, a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about, uh, you going to find another book and you said, "Oh, how about this one?" And I said, "Okay." Of course, I think that wasn't a text, but, you know,

David 3:06
But yeah whatever.

Mike 3:06
sounds

David 3:06
we-

Mike 3:07
better if

David 3:07
*laughs*

Mike 3:07
We're in the same room talking about it.

David 3:09
Sure. And I'm in- I'm in the Dallas Fort Worth area and you're in the Chicago area, so that's like a big room.

Mike 3:16
Right.

David 3:16
Go through Kansas and stuff.

Mike 3:18
Yeah. No, you don't have to go through Kansas to get the Dallas from Chicago.

David 3:23
You don't-

Mike 3:24
you have to go through our Kansas.

David 3:26
Nice! See what you do there.

Mike 3:29
*laughs*

David 3:30
Hey, so let's stay on point, people. I may have answered my own question. I have habit now of looking at a book that we've read while we're actually making our podcast episode. This one says "Skulastic" at the bottom. It could be as simple as one of them got it at one of the book fairs, at school.

Mike 3:49
Absolutely.

That's where many of the books that I've never seen, that you on the shelves at my house, came from, because. Oh,

David 3:59
Yup.

Mike 4:01
yes. There's a book fair. Okay. And then you know, we had to go to parent-teacher conferences.

David 4:06
*laughs*

Mike 4:07
Bleh! Whatever! Tired of hearing about my kids all the time.

David 4:10
I-

Mike 4:10
*laughs*

David 4:11
So boring.

Mike 4:12
Um, oh, and you guys go- go look at books while we're there. Well, or just stay looking at books, because you already disappeared on us, so that's fine, because they would just totally go to the fair and stay there forever if they could.

David 4:28
Yes. And mine too. And has this ever happened to you? My girls will say, "Daddy, uh, the bookfares this week, I need money." I'm like, "Okay, here's five bucks." Well, Daddy, I might need more than that. No, no, no. We spent too much last time. We're not going to spend too much this time.Cut to the next morning at drop-off, I walk in and I walk out with the giant stack of books that I had no problem paying for.

Get them while they're young, if you target them while they're

Mike 4:54
Don't cry for me. [cough]

David 4:56
And the

Mike 4:57
oh no, please do cry for me because I have to keep doing this show

David 5:01
[cough] and

Mike 5:01
with

David 5:01
the

Mike 5:01
him for the money. Oh

David 5:03
The

Mike 5:03
wait.

David 5:03
money kept rolling in from every download. Okay. So

Mike 5:08
Oh, by the way, we don't make any money off of this yet.

David 5:13
Yet.

Mike 5:13
Someday we will. Hopefully. But let's get back to the book at hand or

David 5:19
Yes, in hands. I've got this book so big I had to use two hands to

Mike 5:23
in

David 5:23
hold it.

Mike 5:23
whoa.

David 5:24
No, but so, yeah, I just, when I read the book, I remember reading the books to them and with them, they were probably six, seven and eight. So it was the phase of their reading career where we were still reading books to them for bedtime and talk about an opportunity. There are a lot of wacky characters. It's not a character voice kind of book. It's just so fun.

Mike 5:48
I agree, I agree.

David 5:50
Well, say, so again, you discovered this book and these books because of me telling you about it two weeks, what are your thoughts?

Mike 5:56
So funny because I went straight from reading wayside to reading this. And I started reading it. And I was oh my gosh, they're so similar. really

David 6:11
yes.

Mike 6:11
Like it just had that feeling that I was almost

almost in the same world.

David 6:17
Yeah.

Mike 6:18
Oh yeah. And I just I really loved it. It got me right in the beginning. I'm going do a little something different this time. I did not read the book.

I because I working in McCormick place in downtown I downloaded it from Libby. So if you don't know about Libby, it's an app that you can connect with your local library. I'm sure that you probably know that everyone. But I actually it's funny because a couple weeks ago, I did this and I first went to whatever it was before that over something. And I was like, why is this not opening? And then it finally opened and said this is no longer an app. Go to Libby.

David 7:10
Oh fun.

Mike 7:13
And actually, this is a while Then I had to go renew my library card. Because had expired, which I didn't know they expired,

David 7:22
it

Mike 7:22
but I guess like four or five years or something,

David 7:24
is this your town library, your hometown?

Mike 7:26
Yes, the river forest, Illinois, public library.

David 7:31
Awesome. Reason why I ask is I live in Keller. So we have the Keller library, but the great Mine library, which is a couple towns over it's where we lived for the first five years of my parenthood. And it's a wonderful library. And we've lived in three different towns since then. And I have to actually pay to renew my card.

Mike 7:51
Oh,

David 7:52
and it is worth the $25 the 50 cents a week I pay

worth every

Mike 8:01
Absolutely.

David 8:01
all hundred of them.

Mike 8:03
is it million hundred?

So back to the book.

David 8:07
Back to the book. We'd digress. And we're back.

Mike 8:10
It's Halloween. I am turning green.

David 8:12
Well, what's fun again back to the book. And so while you had that, oh my gosh, these books are so similar, I had not yet read Wayside School had not yet started Sideway stories from Wayside School when I picked this book. And I started reading Wayside or maybe even when you told me about Wayside, I'm like, wait, that sounds a lot like it's Halloween. It's amazing how similar these books are. And I did not know that when I picked the second series.

Mike 8:42
That's awesome. I love it. And I'm

David 8:44
So

Mike 8:44
so

David 8:44
tell me.

Mike 8:45
glad you picked it because I really, really dug it.

David 8:47
I'm glad. Well, wait, so you said you didn't read the book. You met, you read it in Libby? Or you mean you actually didn't finish it?

Mike 8:53
No, no, I read it in Libby, I finished.

David 8:54
Okay,

Mike 8:55
Yeah. I, what I, what I really like about it is, well, it's not the only thing. Um, at the very end of the story, it goes into...

David 9:07
Yeah!

D-D-D-D, the number you have dialed has never been connected.

Mike 9:22
But, um, but I love that there's, I actually had thought it'd be really fun if we did that, but we won't have time because we're already talking too much. in.

David 9:33
Yeah, shocked. Just

Mike 9:35
Chocking.

David 9:36
okay, I also have to bit something. Um, I don't remember knowing that there were puzzles and things in the back, and this is not a library copy. This is a copy we own. And sure enough, there's a connected op that was done. So my girls clearly knew about the stuff in the back.

Mike 9:50
Yeah.

David 9:51
Super fun.

Mike 9:52
Or, you know, they just read the book and got to the end and we're like, "Why are there so many pages left?"

David 10:00
Which is funny because there are a couple times I'm like, "I've got to finish this book." And I'm like, "Wait, I'm only halfway done because there's equal number of pages on either thumb." I'm like, "Oh no, wait, there's a bunch of pages in the back there."

So, anyway, um, tell me something a detail about the book that you like. So, because I have a couple of, what's the one looking for? Things that he does,

Mike 10:19
Well,

David 10:20
you will.

Mike 10:21
first, let's just talk a little bit about the story. So, obviously it's Halloween. I'm turning green. it's Halloween is the whole story in the book. The, I'm turning green is a small part towards the end. so, it's all about and his group of friends. And it starts on October 30th.

David 10:45
Halloween,

Mike 10:46
Halloween,

David 10:46
in.

Mike 10:48
Eve.

David 10:48
Mm-hmm.

Mike 10:49
And his mom tells him he cannot eat any of the candy, 'cause it's not Halloween. 'cause 'cause 'cause But he is so excited about eating candy, and then he finally goes to sleep and wakes up and say, "It's Halloween!" But then he has to wait till four, 'cause that's when he can go trick or treating.

David 11:04
Mm-hmm. And it's not a school day, if I recall.

Mike 11:07
Oh, I don't remember, is it?

David 11:09
yeah.

Mike 11:09
Okay.

David 11:10
Uh, no, you know what? I'm mixing up our books. There's a thing,

Mike 11:15
and you're talking about Jenny,

David 11:16
yeah. Yeah. And in sideways, no, no, not Jenny. No, no, no, in sideways stories, there's a thing where, uh, some guy comes in dressed up in costume on a Friday, and they're like, Halloween's not until Sunday. Well, he goes, "This is a school day before, so it's okay."

Mike 11:30
'Cause they were going to have Halloween

David 11:32
The Halloween reference is not from Halloween-- yeah.

Mike 11:36
that's so funny, though. Uh, again, they're similar. So if you like, uh, wayside, you'll

Frankenstein.

David 11:45
[laughs]

Mike 11:46
I was talking about it somebody yesterday, and I was like, "Uh, I'm-- uh, it's Halloween. I'm Frankenstein." No, that doesn't It doesn't rhyme. It was something that rhymed with Frankenstein.

David 11:58
Nice.

Mike 11:59
Uh,

David 11:59
And then

Mike 12:00
I--

David 12:00
someone's like, "You read a book about vampires?" I'm like,

Mike 12:02
[laughs]

David 12:02
"No, mummy." Take your cars. [laughs]

Mike 12:05
And my mummy sent us an email.

David 12:07
Aw.

Mike 12:08
[laughs]

David 12:09
That's so fun.

Mike 12:10
Thanks, Mom.

David 12:11
Mm-hmm. That's so sweet. She cares.

Mike 12:14
So, we call people out when they send us emails, so

David 12:19
Mm-hmm.

Mike 12:19
be that person and send us email. We'll tell you at the end of uh, episode what the email addresses.

David 12:24
Yes.

Mike 12:25
So, back to the story.

David 12:27
Yeah, back to the

Mike 12:27
Back--

David 12:27
story.

Mike 12:28
Back to

David 12:28
Mm-hmm.

Mike 12:28
the story. I digress. So, yeah. So it's basically his friend's going out trick-or-treating. Oh, Uh, treat and being wowed by things, which is, "Wow" is Mom upside down.

David 12:43
It is. I love that. I wrote that down. I wrote that down.

Mike 12:45
And there are so many things in this book that are just really funny, so. I'm going to let you, since you knew this book very well. Talk a little bit about what your favorite parts were.

David 12:57
So, uh, I also wrote, "Wow," which is Mom upside down. So this book, unlike, Wayside School, is written in the first person. AJ telling the story. And he has a lot of devices that are hilarious. He'll say something and he'll say, "that's the first rule of being a kid." And it's like, says that eight times and if you're good at math, you go, "there can't be eight first rules of being a kid."

Mike 13:23
Yeah, there can.

David 13:24
Okay.

I mean, the man Gutman, the author, or Dan the man, Gootman, or Dan the man, anyway, for Dan to have fun and make little jokes and it's just so funny.

Mike 13:46
Yeah.

Like when they're which, what, what they're as for Halloween,

David 13:50
mm-hmm.

Mike 13:50
uh, the flying robot Ninja from outer I'm a mutant zombie pirate. I'm a skateboarding hippie dinosaur. And

next came Neil, who we call the nude kid.

Even though he wears clothes.

David 14:05
Yeah. It's stuff like that. I just love it. I love it, I love

Mike 14:09
love it, love it.

David 14:09
it,

Mike 14:09
Uh.

David 14:10
so I just love that. And at one point, he mentions bummer in the summer. Mike, you don't know this. But I think- I think that's actually one of his books, one of his other books. And, you know, there might be five wayside school books. There's like 20 of these.

Mike 14:26
I think there's 21.

David 14:28
Oh.

Mike 14:28
seeing- because I looked online when I was looking for it, I saw an ad from probably Amazon, because that's where all the ads come from. and I think it was the 21 book collection.

David 14:43
Oh wow.

Mike 14:46
Dan Gutman.

David 14:48
I love it. Dan the man.

Mike 14:49
Dan the man.

Dan the man. Gutman.

David 14:51
yeah, so I think one of them is bummer in the summer, because it's always, it's Halloween I'm turning, it's always

Mike 14:58
Something that-

David 14:58
noun something rhyme. That's like

Mike 15:00
Yeah.

David 15:00
the device. but also like wayside school. It's great about these 21 books. It's the same characters. It's the same world. And it's- is this one wacky or cookie? Did we decide?

Mike 15:11
We- well, we decided between last week and this week wayside was wacky.

David 15:18
Okay.

Mike 15:18
And I saying everything was cookie. So, I'm not sure where we left this is cookie ad wacky, I think.

David 15:27
Okay, okay. Well, for those of you who haven't opinion on this, please email us and we can discuss if this is wacky or cookie or both. But yeah, they're just a lot of fun and a really quick read. I said, there's not a lot of- a lot of the books for younger kids, you can do character voices and stuff. This doesn't do that,

Mike 15:48
No.

David 15:49
but it's still so much opportunity for fun and I do have memories of reading this with my girls, to my girls, and having a blast with it. And their reaction to the cookie-ness and the wacky-ness was something that always stands out in my mind. Just really fun.

Mike 16:06
I have to imagine, because as you were saying that, I was remembering reading crazy silly books to my girls. And you know, we've read them so many times. They knew what was coming.

David 16:20
Yes!

Mike 16:22
fact.

And sometimes they would say it with you or just start laughing uncontrollably

David 16:28
In

Mike 16:28
before.

David 16:28
Yeah.

Yeah! In anticipation.

Mike 16:31
Abs, it's so yeah.

David 16:33
I- I just love it. I also- there is one point where- it's on page 48 and my copy. A. J. has to make a decision, and it's a tough decision.

And he calls it the toughest decision in the history of the world. And that kind of like superlative is something that kids do, and as crazy as that is, when you're in that it is the toughest decision in the history of the world. Not just your life.

Mike 17:05
Lutely.

David 17:06
And Guttman does exactly what good kids book writers do. He gets in the mind and the emotion and the world of a kid.

Mike 17:16
Yes.

David 17:16
And it's just like, it's so ridiculous to say this is the toughest decision in the history of the world, but it is in that moment for A. J.

Mike 17:24
Yeah. I mean, do you want to get chopped up in little pieces

David 17:28
Mm-hmm.

Mike 17:28
or give the bad guy all of your candy?

David 17:31
Right.

Mike 17:32
I mean...

Dude, I don't know. Like I sympathize with him. I was- it put me on the edge.

David 17:39
Yeah!

Mike 17:40
I was like, "I'm not sure which way you should go."

David 17:43
I

Mike 17:44
mean, uh, you know, it's a book, so I can do that, 'cause it's not-

David 17:48
It's

Mike 17:48
not- But-

David 17:49
oh, wait,

Mike 17:50
Man, that is-

David 17:50
warning. Wait.

Mike 17:50
Oh, oops. My bad.

David 17:53
To our listeners, to our listeners, no kids or adults have been chopped up into pieces in the making of this podcast.

Mike 17:59
Oh, I thought you were gonna say uh, s

David 18:02
No, I should've said that earlier.

Mike 18:03
I- I know, well.

David 18:04
[laughs]

Mike 18:06
That's why I thought it would be funny, if you said it now. Just go back 30 seconds and- and stop listening.

David 18:12
Oh, yeah, and then get- get you- use the mind eraser from Ronco, Daveco, Mikeco. Um, you

Mike 18:19
Uhh.

David 18:19
know, we should do though, actually, why don't we- You'll edit this little part out, but why

Mike 18:23
Okay.

David 18:23
don't we come up with some kind of like little audio of like, caution, Dangerous Robinson, spoiler alert, please fast forward 30 seconds or run outside screaming.

'Cause we get out of those in

Mike 18:36
Yeah,

David 18:36
post? Oh.

Mike 18:36
we could totally do that. And- I probably won't cut that out, 'cause it's 'cause- Every time you say, "Oh, we'll cut that in post," I leave it in.

David 18:45
[laughs]

Mike 18:45
[laughs]

David 18:47
You should not have told me that.

Mike 18:48
I know!

David 18:51
[laughs]

Mike 18:52
But from this point on, I will totally cut those out.

David 18:55
Oh, totally, absolutely,

Mike 18:58
totally. I know you totally believed me, don't you?

David 19:00
Totally, as you shake this head, lift the right and the headphones fly off. I can't hear you! Anyway, so yeah, these-

Mike 19:07
Panguans.

David 19:07
these books are- yep, exac. These books are just so fun, and as I estimated 20, you correct me, there are 21. Totally recommend them, read them with your kids. But you know, it's funny. I these books today in the waiting room at my dermatologist office this morning. And not one person was kind of look at me like, "Why is that guy reading those kid books by himself?"

Mike 19:29
I know, right? I was at McCormick Place. in the middle of tearing down a trade show, surrounded by, you know, electricians, and teamsters, and all the people that work at Freeman.

David 19:44
You're-

Mike 19:44
And

David 19:44
you're- you're basic demographics for the wayside school, Chicago Union guys!

Mike 19:49
Exactly!

David 19:50
Totally!

Mike 19:50
And I'm sitting there reading, honestly that didn't actually... Comed with my- the thoughts in my head, which

David 19:57
Yeah!

Mike 19:57
are slow sometimes. Uh,

David 19:59
(laughter)

Mike 20:00
when you said that, I was like, "Oh, man, nobody looked at me funny either." But maybe I was just not paying attention, because these books were good!

David 20:08
So good! yeah, good stuff, man. I just- these- uh, I want to write some of these books, you know?

Mike 20:15
Well , you can, but they've already been published, so, I you definitely need to lawyer them.

David 20:22
Oh, is that like, against- against the law?

Mike 20:25
Uh...

Plagorithmicsons?

David 20:29
the plagorithmics, that's what drives ads and clicks on- on social media, right?

Mike 20:34
No, no, that's the Arithmics.

David 20:36
Oh

! Okay, okay, I got it, because sweet dreams are made of these- this.

Mike 20:42
Uh,

David 20:42
What is-

Mike 20:43
mostly, um, they're made of lots and lots of candy, at least in this book.

David 20:49
Yes! So much so that you're in- be in your turning green. Alright, good stuff, y'all. Check it out. These books are great, man. Check 'em out.

Mike 20:57
It is great, there are pictures.

Random points. Sometimes it's the beginning of chapter.

David 21:04
Yup.

Mike 21:05
The, uh, wayside was like, at the beginning of the chapter. This one, t some that are in the middle of a chapter. And... Very different of drawing, but they are funny, the one that really caught my eye the one where the- they end up at the teacher's house.

David 21:23
Mm-hm.

Mike 21:24
And, from the picture, I totally she was from Wisconsin. And why did I think that, David?

David 21:33
I'm trying to find it. I'm guessing was there a cheesehead?

Mike 21:36
It- yes, exactly!

David 21:37
(Laughs)

Mike 21:39
Page 55.

David 21:41
Uh, we do have page numbers.

Mike 21:42
Yes.

David 21:44
our books are numbered differently.

Mike 21:45
Oh.

David 21:46
55 online.

Mike 21:47
Oh, sorry. It's, uh, chapter 10, the expanding universe!

David 21:53
Okay.

Mike 21:54
Well, we're gonna move on, then. And I-

David 21:58
Oh, yeah!

Mike 21:59
I-I like that at the end one of my favorite things was the madlibs. I did not do them. uh. But I really wanted to. So if you guys want us to do that on the show, we can revisit this book. Or

David 22:16
that, what?

Mike 22:18
This is how we lead our other thought that have one other in this series.

David 22:25
Mm-hmm.

Mike 22:25
And was it called?

David 22:27
Oh! I don't know.

Mike 22:29
It was, uh, something daisy.

David 22:31
Oh yeah, mist

Mike 22:32
still mist daisy is still crazy.

David 22:34
Yes,

Mike 22:35
Something like

David 22:35
something

Mike 22:36
that,

David 22:36
uh.

Mike 22:36
which led me to believe that there was a mist daisy is crazy.

David 22:41
Yes! Yes !

Mike 22:42
Because how can you still be crazy if you weren't crazy to begin with? So I bet the format would be similar. So we should go

and both of us read different ones, and we'll do this in the future you know, but we can do that, we can talk about how the similarities between the two books and if she really is still crazy. Sorry.

I just I wanted to say something about driving mist daisy,

David 23:13
but we'll

Mike 23:14
leave that to.

David 23:15
We'll leave that to go

Mike 23:15
Yeah,

David 23:16
mist

Mike 23:16
see,

David 23:16
laser.

Mike 23:17
but now I can cut that out in post because I'm the one that does that.

David 23:22
Oh, that's right.

Mike 23:22
Or I'll leave. I'm not sure.

separate books like what accidentally did with Richard

David 23:31
scary.

Mike 23:32
this

David 23:33
Oh,

Mike 23:33
time it'll be on purpose.

David 23:34
So we each read different books from the same series and comparing

Mike 23:39
yeah,

David 23:39
contrast. Oh,

Mike 23:41
especially because it's all mist daisy.

David 23:43
Right.

Mike 23:44
So

David 23:45
so you're going to wait. Let me make sure I get this straight. You're going to read mist daisy is crazy and I'm the watch driving mist daisy, and then we're going to talk about them.

Mike 23:55
No, hoax.

That is completely wrong.

Yes, exactly.

David 24:03
Okay.

Mike 24:04
And my friend Sean, who also lives in Dallas, did driving mist daisy and not that anybody cares, but hey, Sean, Massey, Uh, yeah, so he was hoax.

David 24:17
Uh,

Mike 24:18
and not that I ever saw it, but I know he did it and I things line about it because, you know, it's the age of social media.

David 24:26
Yes.

Mike 24:27
And you can find books

David 24:30
books?

Mike 24:30
I think it's dad's own books. Dad's own books.

David 24:31
right. So

Mike 24:33
I to wrap it up, I would say, I think now don't quote me on this because I could be wrong,

we both seem to like this book.

David 24:48
Mike, there you go. Jump into conclusions. Again, they just happen to be absolutely right.

Mike 24:54
say that because obviously we're going to read another And so come back you many and find out what we think about Miss Daisy.

David 25:03
Yes.

Mike 25:06
So

David 25:07
she still may be crazy.

Mike 25:08
She may be. Did we give the email address like we promised in the

David 25:13
I think we did. But we can always give it again.

Mike 25:16
yes,

David 25:17
It's

dads on books at gmail.com.

Mike 25:22
That's because we are

David 25:25
dad's own

Mike 25:29
books. It's not a question. We are dads

David 25:34
Sorry,

Mike 25:36
Happy reading.