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Mike (00:07)
Welcome to another episode of Dads on Books.

Hey David, how are you? How are you? I'm good. Here we are on another show, which is weird with just the two of us. Yes. Not having a Dan or a Chris or an Alan to make fun of us. a daughter.

David (00:12)
Hey Mike!

I'm good Harry. Excellent.

or a daughter,

which includes all the above banter and making fun of us, no doubts. ⁓ I think I just decided that this is one of our back to the basics episodes.

Mike (00:33)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Back to the base of like the future, but different. Yeah.

David (00:42)
Yes,

sort of exactly. Okay. That's the basics because a it's just you, me and a book.

Mike (00:48)
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David (00:50)
Yes,

there's a song in there somewhere. But also, I'm calling it back to the basics because not only is it back to a book, it's back to a board book.

Mike (00:58)
Yay! So what board book did we decide to read?

David (01:04)
Funny you should ask, I have a collection of board books on my shelf that are from Narnia, from the collection of books I want to keep in case one day I'm blessed with grandchildren. And so I've held onto this one for a while. And I think given the candidates, you picked it. It's each peach pear plum. I think you did.

Mike (01:22)
Who picked it?

Nope. I did? You may have given me a list of things that you wanted to do, but I have never seen nor heard of this book.

David (01:33)
No, you're right. That's what I meant. I gave you a multiple choice thing. didn't just say, Hey, what do you want to do next? And you said back there on your shelf. Yeah. So you picked it from a choice of board books that were

Mike (01:48)
Sorry, there's a book called Piccolo up there.

David (01:51)
that's great, I love it! Is the piccolo, does it play to the, is that a flute or do you know?

Mike (01:55)
They both play to the same side.

David (01:58)
So, Piccolos, dude, I had no idea. Yeah. I know Claire.

Mike (02:02)
just like a flute but goes higher.

David (02:05)
I've had a flute player in my house for five years and I didn't know that. That's shame on me.

Mike (02:09)
Has she ever played the piccolo? Notice I didn't even question if it was a she, because you're the only man in the house. We're boy in the house. Boy.

David (02:19)
I think boy,

given the nature of me. boy. Where were we?

Mike (02:25)
My grandma. Sorry.

David (02:28)
while you're drinking coffee, will say it is by janet and alan albert

Mike (02:32)
I'll burg all the time. ⁓

David (02:34)
all

of these birds and I'm assuming that they're related somehow. you do any research about the book or the people or anything?

Mike (02:41)
Well,

I certainly did. Do you know where this phrase, peach pear plum, comes from?

David (02:47)
I'm guessing a nursery rhyme or something like that.

Mike (02:50)
Not exactly. It comes from this book, which does talk about nursery rhyme. So it's sort of in the genre of the nursery rhyme. However, peach pear plum or each peach pear plum. I don't know if the each is part of it. Can't remember, but it comes from somewhere in the United Kingdom, England, Scotland, Ireland area. think it's Scottish maybe.

David (02:59)
However,

Mike (03:17)
And it's similar to what we in America say when we are five potato, six potato, seven potato, or out the and then you knock somebody out or whatever. So it is, it's a kid's game that has been used in the past to, know, do the stomping of the hand and going around in the circle and picking captains for your, I don't know, cribbage team.

David (03:26)
More?

so it's a game? is that a kid's-

football team but football we're talking about the one where you kick stuff.

Mike (03:49)
But ball is the one that they talked about. yeah. Okay. Cool. That is right. That is right. that's awesome. So yeah. So that is where the, would that be etymology? No, because it's not a word, right? Correct.

David (04:00)
No, Edamard.

But it's the origin. That's a good global origin of the phrase.

Mike (04:07)
There you go, we have our origin story.

David (04:10)
So, Eenie Meenie Minie Moe? Is it kinda like that? Just non-sad?

Mike (04:14)
Exactly. Eeny to the meeny to the miney to the moeny.

David (04:19)
Yes, exactly. Testimony, Palimony, Ceremony.

Mike (04:21)
Right a pony. I love it. All right. So now that we know a little bit about the title of the book and where it comes from. obviously it's an of some sort of English descent because where are the authors of this book from? England. Indeed, indeed.

David (04:29)
Let's kill mo-

I'm gonna go with England?

And by England, you mean England, not Scotland, but England specifically.

Mike (04:46)
Specifically, that's what I remember reading was, I believe they lived in England. I do not know if they were of Scottish descent or Welsh or Irish, Northern England, from the Isle of Man. Who knows?

David (04:56)
Irish. Northern Irish.

Cornwall.

but some English speaking place with an accent different than ours.

Mike (05:08)
Correct sir.

David (05:09)
Very excellent, very good. Let's on to the cherry. Into the contents.

Mike (05:13)
And Q, tell me about what you have here.

David (05:16)
Excellent, very nice. So I have a question for you. So you were not familiar with this book. You did not read it to your kids. All the things.

Mike (05:24)
Not at all, never a once, never Until this episode. Preparing for this episode when I read it three times. Two that I remember and one time that was after the first time. But right after the first time. you could say it really wasn't three times, it was probably only really two.

David (05:28)
preparing for

So we had first time parts one and two or something like that. Okay, cool. Excellent. Very important too.

Mike (05:47)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We won't

part this show out because the last one was 57 minutes. Correct? No, part two was 57 minutes. I don't remember what part one was. I've been done with that for over a week. Anyway, moving on.

David (05:56)
just part one was.

Wow. Okay, so,

here's what I did. I think I'm going to do something from now on when you and I read a book that I've read before. Okay. You know, me and my note taking. I jotted down a ton of notes before I read it. Okay. Before I reread it. So in other words, what is my memory of the book? And then I wrote down, and now I read, and then I came up with more notes. And then I said, and now I read and I mean it. In other words,

Mike (06:14)
Yes.

The book. Gotcha.

Did you go and get a peanut?

David (06:33)
Stop rhyming,

Mike (06:36)
I do it all the timing.

David (06:38)
I mean,

yeah, so it was very interesting and we'll get into it in a second. The things I remembered and then the things I re remembered and or discovered upon rereading it for today. But before I get into any of that, what did you think of the book? Having not read it to your kids and just read it recently? Yes, please.

Mike (06:59)
Honestly,

I didn't care for it. no. I get what it's supposed to be, but I didn't really get into the rhyming of it. Okay. It seemed stilted and I looked at the artwork and it was nice, but it felt old in an old way. ⁓ like I look back at Mrs. McTats.

Mm-hmm, and that looked old but I don't know in a whimsical

David (07:36)
Is it cool? Everyone's cool. Yeah, it's very British.

Mike (07:39)
But this, I don't know, maybe it was too stuffy for me. Oh, really? I don't know. There was something about it that I was like, it's a story. Okay. there it is.

David (07:51)
So Mike, do you know what episode number this is?

Mike (07:54)
48 or 49. Okay.

David (07:57)
Right, it's 49.

Which means we're coming up on, as the Romans would say, episode L.

We're gonna have to figure out what we're gonna do for Episodal. But before we do, let's talk about Episode 49. Where as the Romans would say, XLIX. I think I got that right.

Mike (08:12)
All right, let's start.

Excel IX. I thought we were already up to Excel 10. ⁓ Excel IX.

David (08:25)
I'm still on Lotus one, two, three. So the reason why I bring up episode 49 is not just to say the next one is 50, but there've been a few episodes where both you and I were at best meh on a book. We have for the most part both loved all of all the rest at varying degrees, but of love. This might be our first split episode. I it is.

Mike (08:27)
Indeed.

Yes. I

I went back and read it the second time to try and figure out what it was that I didn't care about. And I can't put this finger on it. That would be this one. yeah.

David (09:03)
Yeah,

well that second one's more important. Yes.

Mike (09:05)
Because it was the second time but yeah, I I get the point of it I get that it's a I spy kind of thing, but I didn't like how the Pictures kind of lined up with the words. Okay, kind of like you read something and then like I didn't see why and I would read something and then it would talk about what was on the next picture While I wasn't looking at that picture

David (09:34)
Okay, me an example. Sure. Yeah, please.

Mike (09:38)
So on the Mother Hubbard Down the Cellar I Spy Cinderella. Mm-hmm. I guess that would be Mother Hubbard Down the Cellar I Spy Cinderella.

David (09:48)
Yeah, exactly. ⁓ that's That's what I read. Sella and Rella. Yeah.

Mike (09:52)
So when I look at that, go right to the picture that's right next to it.

David (09:57)
And it's this picture, right?

Mike (09:59)
No, is not. Well, that's it is the picture of the page before.

David (10:03)
That's the problem. you read it online, so to speak.

Mike (10:07)
I did, but it's just a copy of the book.

David (10:11)
Because this is the spread. This is the Cinderella cella and old Mother Hubbard. And there's Mother Hubbard and the cella with Cinderella back there.

Mike (10:19)
Well, maybe if I had read it that direction, which I did, stopped at the library, but they did not have it.

David (10:25)
Well, and I'm glad you brought that up. And I was suspecting that that was the case that you didn't, the version you had wasn't quite right. Because when you do it this way, it is fun. You read mother Hubbard on the cellar, I spy Cinderella. And you look over, you have to find Cinderella. Like every single spread, it mentions a character who's in the center and somebody else is in the back somewhere. And that was part of the fun reading it with it to tiny kids. But that's not it. You're still meh. I see it your face.

Mike (10:51)
⁓

Still meh. didn't, it didn't really appeal to me. Alright. Okay.

David (10:55)
Hmm, okay.

Alright, well it was nice knowing you.

Just

okay, good, know, you're not you're okay. You're smiling. Anything else? Find something nice to say about it,

Mike (11:11)
I like that they used watercolor. Yes. What else did I like? ⁓ do like, I like some of the, mean, I don't know, imagery is okay. It just feels rather old. And I'm not sure about the third bear always shooting off his gun at the wrong time, but several times in here, he shoots somebody.

David (11:18)
Try hard,

Hmm

So I'm with you and it's the parenting. Cause it's like, okay, the first time he does that, he almost kills a baby. Why don't we take the gun away from him? And so, and I don't think I noticed that back in the day. I'm sure I did when I was reading, but I didn't care. And most importantly, my daughters didn't notice and ask about all that. But on this one,

Mike (11:57)
It would be a good teaching place.

David (12:00)
Absolutely. And there are plenty of those in this. Yes. But this time I did go, well, just take the gun away. Right. Come on, Like, does he have a permit? Does he have a license? No. Probably not. No, clearly not.

Mike (12:12)
And most importantly, parents have not taught him gun safety.

David (12:17)
And they

don't care, No.

Mike (12:19)
They're not because they're in front of him. Another problem. are not Care Bears.

David (12:24)
Dude,

if you're going on a hike with your kids in the woods and you have guns and there's two of you and one kid, I'm thinking one of them should be in the back and not let the kid with the... Okay, I'm with you on that. That actually did. And I'm being partially funny, but it did bother me. Cool. Anything else? Good or bad ugly?

Mike (12:44)
Good, bad, ugly. I don't know who the hell Baby Bunting is, but I know it's free rhyme. I tried to look it up and I couldn't find it. But Baby Bunting is annoying. Baby Bunting just sits there, lays there in a little basket and rolls down the river.

David (12:50)
I'm not sure.

I agree.

and

smiles all the time, which is good. I Moses exactly.

Mike (13:06)
who's his poses, his toes, his roses, and it's just after Passover.

David (13:11)
And Moses does suppose these things erroneously. I agree, of all, every single character in reference to a nursery rhyme and or other things, because Robin Hood is in there, that's not a nursery rhyme. I recognize and know every single one except Baby Bunting. Still don't know who Baby Bunting is.

Mike (13:27)
No, it's baby in bunting. What's that? It's a baby in bunting. ⁓ No, I think that's when you hold the bat out and try to hit it to the ground so that you get thrown out at first and you're

David (13:31)
Is that him like swaddling clothes?

and tossed into a river.

Mike (13:41)
AimKits

to go to second and third.

David (13:44)
thrown into a tree or, that's why it's baby bunting.

Mike (13:48)
Yeah, baby bunting.

David (13:50)
think you're onto something. Maybe.

Mike (13:53)
Maybe, maybe, I'm in love with you. Me too, I haven't listened to Buddy Holly in far too long.

David (13:55)
Let's watch and find out.

man, I love Buddy Holly.

So I have a CD and yes, it's a CD of his kind of greatest hits. There's about 20 songs and man, they hold up dude.

Mike (14:11)
Yeah. Music.

Just like Buddy Holly. Wee-oo. Or Wee-new. I don't know. I can't remember Weezer. That's right. Wee-new. took your buddy Holly. Okay. Oh, and your Mary Tyler Moore.

David (14:21)
It's hilarious.

Mike, you and I are friends, I feel I can be honest with you. When you first said the we who, I just laughed because it was funny and thought, I don't know what he's talking about, but it was funny. So the laughter is real. And then when you said we's or I was like, oh yeah, I remember now. Okay.

Mike (14:42)
If you want to destroy my sweater, just pull this thread. Anyway, moving on. Another Weezer.

David (14:49)
I loved the book when I read it for the girls. It's why I kept it in Narnia so I can hopefully read it to my grandkids one day. to maybe Monica can read it to me when I'm toothless and senile in the 90s. Hey, toothless in Seattle. That is awesome. I still loved it. So this is definitely our first 50-50 book. There were things that I loved about it just in my memory and it's in my notes. First of all, my friend.

Mike (15:02)
in Seattle.

David (15:18)
Jeff and Diana, Jeff's one of my best friends from college. He was at the wedding. I put Jeff and in parentheses and then put Diana. I'm sure she's the one who knew about it, but they gave it to us when Delaney was born. So I don't know if you experienced this with Stella and then Ruby. When Delaney was born, we got all kinds of neat gifts and stuff. And then when Sarah was born, same announcement, same kind of stuff. We got nothing. Which is fine.

Mike (15:40)
Second kid theory. We suck, obviously, because we didn't get anything. By the way, I'm a second-born.

David (15:48)
We have three kids and by the way, I'm a third born. ⁓

Mike (15:52)
your

pain. Not as bad. Not as bad. I wrote more stuff than we did.

David (15:57)
That's

true. I wrote Hewitt's on the back in Dumble, Merkur. There's the Hewitt's. I wrote that probably when I got it because I correctly knew I wouldn't remember a dang thing. And I have a handful of books including Olivia and La Brue Generale that you guys gave us. And actually I take that back. I don't think I wrote them on yours because I just, y'all are so amazing I remember. Anyway, the point is

Mike (16:15)
Where where?

Well, I think we gave that to you when we all lived in LA. You did.

David (16:26)
You gave me La Brogne Heureuse as like either a Christmas gift or a goodbye go move to Dallas gift.

Mike (16:33)
Go move to Dallas and procreate. And here's the book, so hopefully you'll find somebody French.

David (16:36)
Yes, ⁓

⁓ Olivia, you gave that to us when we were parents. You gave me la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, ⁓ la, la,

Mike (16:50)
All the best.

Yes. You

should just have a whole episode about what's a classic. Classic.

David (17:14)
Totally.

I love it. But I thought it was published in the early 90s, but I did my research, which as you know means I looked at the end thing and it was actually originally published in 1978, which I

Mike (17:27)
Really?

Because what I saw was later. But that's very possible. I I feel like the art is more indicative of 70s kids.

David (17:38)
When you thought about it or do you look at it and it looks dated like did you look at it and go? this looks 70s

Mike (17:45)
No, I thought it looked dated. I could have thought that it was older, but I thought that I read someplace that it was 80s or 90s. But I think that I am mixing up dates with is that she died from cancer in 94, I believe. Yes.

David (18:05)
Janet did? Yes.

Are Janet and Alan, obviously they were husband and wife? Yes.

Mike (18:10)
Okay. Yes. And Alan passed, I think it was in 22, maybe. So he lived a long time after. Oops. That didn't mean to kick that. Thought it was an earthquake. It wasn't an earthquake.

David (18:26)
Pardon me, it was the goulash.

Mike (18:27)
Okay. I thought it was the plums. Awesome. Look at my fingers, they're getting all pruney. So

David (18:30)
Ha ha!

So

one of the things I loved about it and do remember is loved the place. There's a farm and the farmhouse and the stone wall and things happen in different places and it's not perfect continuity, but it still does kind of track. And I don't know if the online version you saw, but in my print version in the open end cover front end cover page thing, there's a drawing of the entire place. Did you see that in yours?

Mike (19:02)
Now I see something that has all of the pages together, but I don't think I saw. No, I did not see that.

David (19:09)
Okay, so this is the hill with the stream and the forest. look.

The music. What the sound of music. Yeah. So this reminded me of warrior cats that we read with my daughter, Sarah, because they were not one because there were two maps at the beginning of warrior cats. was the point of view of the cats and the point of view of the humans. Yes. And so even when I read this with my kids, I was always looking back and forth to the map to see where they were on this map. I mean, there's the

Mike (19:32)
Gotcha.

David (19:44)
There's the Jack and Jill ⁓ Fetch a Pail of Water thing, and then there's woods over here, Stonewall. I just thought it was really cool. And it also does remind me of you had mentioned Mrs. McTats and her house full of cats. love the palette of this book. It's not quite as blue and green and brown as McTats, but there is a lot of that, and you add in some yellow and some primaries, but it's the same medium. It's the same pencil or ink, and then lots of awesome watercolor. It makes great use of the watercolor.

Mike (20:13)
Yes, it does. So even I noticed the watercolor.

David (20:17)
I noticed that you noticed you said that earlier, indeed-ly-do. And other things, there's all kinds of little fun details and stuff, especially like in the rooms when it first begins with the cellar. For example, in the very first one in the kitchen, there's a thing of lavender, like a lavender sprig hanging on the wall behind the door. I have memories of those things. I like seeing those things. But those were fun with the kids. We could spend a long time on one page just pointing out stuff and asking questions and doing that kind of thing. So I liked all of that.

So to be honest with you, I don't know if I'd like the book right now if I read it the way you did, you know? So it could be, mine could be painted or tinted or biased by nostalgia.

Mike (20:58)
Or it could be painted or tinted by crayon. ⁓ If you let your kids at it.

David (21:00)
Exactly.

Exactly. So yeah, so anyway, that's my those are my thoughts on the book. Hey, if you have any opinions out there, all you listeners and or watchers, maybe we can start a poll. Yes or no on this book or email us at dads on books at gmail.com and tell us if you liked it or not. Tell us if Mike is right or I am right. And the good news is we both are because opinions are subjective.

Mike (21:25)
And then at some point, check us out on our socials on Facebook and Instagram and TikTok and ⁓ Snapchat. Are we on, we're on Snapchat? ⁓ okay.

David (21:32)
Subscribe

We're gonna be. One

of those kids said, dude, you do Snapchat. ⁓

Mike (21:40)
Okay.

I don't know. Sure. Why not? Okay. I mean, we said the same thing about the TikToks and the grams or Insta. can't even remember. Somebody was talking about it at Swoop.

David (21:52)
So should I tell them what that means when you miss? No.

Mike (21:58)
Go back and listen. You'll find it somewhere. Maybe near San Antonio. ⁓ Somewhere in Texas. Deep in the heart of Texas. Yee-haw!

David (22:01)
You'll do.

Maybe somewhere, somewhere in Texas.

Sup, R-

Mike (22:13)
yeah. So, ⁓ yeah. So please get in touch with us and let us know. And also, you know, drop us a line if there's something you would like us to read. Or if, Hey, if you really want to be on our show and want to talk about a book that you read to your kids or read to many kids, cause you were a teacher or read to your grandkids or read to your grandparents.

David (22:23)
Yes.

How about librarians? We love librarians.

Mike (22:42)
We love librarians. I met some really nice librarians yesterday at the River Forest Public Library in River Forest, Illinois.

David (22:50)
That's awesome. What, what, anything you want to.

Mike (22:52)
Now

I was just returning books and asking if they had a copy of this HPP book.

David (23:01)
Did you tell them about what we do?

Mike (23:03)
I had in the past, but I don't think they remembered. Okay. So, and I didn't have any bookmarks with me to pass along to them. I didn't- That's okay. I didn't stay for too long. I did not.

David (23:14)
You didn't overstay your welcome.

I need to start bringing an overnight bag to the libraries these days.

Mike (23:21)
That would help carry more Dan Gutman

David (23:24)
Nice, I love it, I love it. So speaking of libraries, my two favorite local libraries, I'm in Texas, Mike is in Illinois. I love the Graetvine Public Library in Graetvine, Texas, and my own local library, the Keller Public Library here in Keller, Texas. If you have a favorite library, let us know. You can email us and let us know your library or comment on one of our socials, and we might do a tribute to your library.

Mike (23:48)
You can also comment in whatever comment place that you listen or watch this show, because we will also see that on the YouTubes or the other places like that. can't remember.

David (24:01)
That's okay. It's all linked below somewhere. And also we love bookstores, especially a lot of our local independent bookstores. Two of the ones I love here, the House with Books in Keller, Texas and Talking Animals Books that has not one, but two locations in Grapevine.

Mike (24:19)
Top 1 but 2 locations!

David (24:22)
They have so many books and love them so much they had to have two. Also, if you, no matter where you are, if you have a local bookstore you like, let us know that one as well. And as Mike said earlier, our guests so far have been our daughters and authors. Yeah, so if you are a librarian or if you're someone who wants to talk about books, we like having guests because we're people people.

Mike (24:45)
people. I went to this books in the stock store. Oh cool. That is in Worcester, Ohio. where one of my children goes to college. And you can guess which one, cause I only have one. One in college. That's awesome. And they've been celebrating 35 years in downtown Worcester. last week I went out and I played the trumpet.

David (24:54)
I love

Yes

That's fantastic.

Mike (25:14)
since the sixth grade. well, I played all through college, played in a jazz band in college or the jazz band in college. And then when I moved to Chicago, there was a Dixieland jazz band that I played with and we did humongous tours of the North shore of Chicago retirement homes. And as they were. Yes, go ahead.

David (25:36)
for a second.

yeah. So I've known you since the 1900s. And even we, I got to know you better in the 2000s, but I started to get to know you pretty well in the 1900s. You just journeyed me. I just have the joy of rediscovering you. I didn't know that you were in a jazz band as an adult in Chicago and that you toured the entire North shore of Illinois. I'm discovering that

Mike (25:41)
Indeed you have.

Now! I know. There's so many things about us.

David (26:04)
You're interesting, deep and complex, I love it. But you were saying.

Mike (26:05)
I am.

I was saying that because it all comes back to Worcester. yeah. Because I got an email about a middle school band concert that it was actually a celebration for River Forest and they needed community members that played in band before. Cool. So I went because my friend Dave Smith, our daughter's

Ruby and Claudia were friends, but he got in touch with me because we had talked about being in band before. And so he texted or emailed us, Hey, are you, are, are you thinking about doing this thing? And I was like, yeah, actually I was. So if you do it, I'll do it. And so we ended up doing that one. had like one or two songs and we played outside in front of the, of the middle school. Very exciting. Awesome. And then recently the

David (27:01)
That's awesome.

Mike (27:05)
middle school band teacher was retiring or is retiring. guess it's still the school year. And they had a, they do an auction thing every year at the, at the school and they were looking for people again. So again, he texted and said, Hey, are you doing this? And I said, I have no idea what you're talking about, Dave. Yes. If you're in, I'm in.

David (27:28)
Yeah, you say yes, then you look at the details.

Mike (27:31)
I love it. So I think we, they had more rehearsals, but I didn't find out about it until after. So I think I had two rehearsals and then we played. Wow. Five songs. And after the second rehearsal, I was like, my Lord, I'm horrid. This sucks. So I went home and I practiced for probably three or four hours in two days. Okay. And then went and made it through most of the songs and I played them actually pretty well.

But my lips were really tired from playing for four hours in two days when that was probably about how much I played per year over the past 12 years.

David (28:13)
So let me ask you question. When you first played with Dave Rock and Roll Smith, how long had it been since you had last played?

Mike (28:20)
Like probably not a super long time because Stella did play for a little while and she was in middle school band, think for Did she use your trumpet? She used, actually used my coronet because it's smaller. It's more compact.

David (28:32)
She used your trumpet, correct?

What is a coronet is a smaller compact higher pitch trumpet?

Mike (28:42)
No, it's a, it's the same tone and everything just more compact. It's, I don't know, bent in more places so that you can squish it together. of like, it's like a flute shrinking down to a piccolo.

David (28:55)
I was

going to do the SAT analogy.

Mike (28:58)
but it's different because there is the trumpet and it does actually shrink down to a piccolo trumpet. So you have learned many, many things in this episode. And I'll take us out with a little song that I'll record later.

David (29:14)
Love it. But hey, do we need to do our dad jokes to take us out or can we skip it? do you think? Indeed-ly, doodly-doo. Okay. Sounds like you anticipated that and you have one.

Mike (29:21)
Indeed we do.

Hey, doodle-dee-doo.

Well, I anticipated it because I used this bookmark in my book to save one of my jokes. So, we'll just go with that one first. All right.

David (29:36)
I love it.

That's a good idea.

Mike (29:45)
I a nightmare that I drowned in an ocean of orange soda. But thankfully, it was just a fantasy.

David (29:56)
That had two levels, because at first I thought it was just Fanta, and then I'm like, ⁓ not just to play on Fanta. See.

Mike (30:04)
Awesome. actually ran to find this bookmark so that I could bookmark that joke because I it last night and I was like, ⁓ my gosh, that is too funny.

David (30:13)
And Mike, may I give some direction or ⁓ critique of your reading? Yes. It was flawless. ⁓ You got into character and it wasn't much of a character, but you got into the emotion and the space and the pause before. And I'm not being facetious. That was really good. I'm also not surprised, to be honest with you, but good nonetheless.

Mike (30:32)
Thank you.

Thank you very much. appreciate that.

David (30:38)
We have a good friend named Dan Gutman. Dan and ding. There you go. I like it.

Mike (30:45)
Okay, so. So let's add three books he's put out today.

David (30:48)
⁓ at least, we're going to do a live episode with him so that when we say his latest book, actually is his latest book. Is that a good idea? So Dan introduced us to his good friend, Alan Katz, was our, and Alan was fantastic. The last two episodes were Alan and Hey Mike, real quickly. When I was doing the show notes for both parts of the Dan Katz thing, I mean,

Mike (30:55)
I think so.

Yes, we've had four guests named Dan now. Go on, carry on.

David (31:19)
So in order to be a guest on our show, do want librarians and people who like books, but you must be named, Dan. Yes.

Mike (31:25)
No. Or we will name you Dan. Exactly.

David (31:28)
As I was listening to Alan, we could do an entire episode just from his material about how to be a writer and how to be creative. He gave so much good stuff. Yeah.

Mike (31:37)
completely.

And he's very complimentary. mean, he, ⁓ while I was editing, I was just like, my gosh, I felt so good because he complimented us on what we were doing, like was genuinely interested in what we were doing and genuinely wants us to do well, which is so lovely.

David (32:03)
Well, and he gave me things to take to my public speaking class. Because he said, writing, no matter what you do, you want to be a pilot, you want to be, you're going to write. So write well now so you can write better. And public speaking, you don't want to be a public speaker, you want to be a teacher, want to be a taxi driver, to be a carpenter, you got to talk to people. Yeah. You know, and it was very inspiring for me. So because of all of that, this is technically not a dad joke book, but there's definitely dad jokes in it.

Mike (32:26)
all of that.

It's

because they are the funniest jokes ever. Yes! In book form.

David (32:34)
Four kids, rubber chicken. So I am going, ⁓ a lot of these I read, but okay, I found one. Can I do two?

Mike (32:43)
You certainly can, because I have a second.

David (32:46)
Sweet. Let me do my first one and then you go.

Mike (32:48)
That's funny on so many levels. I have a second because I don't have to rush out and I have a second joke Yes

David (32:54)
English is so cool. is. OK, are you ready?

What does a house where?

Mike (33:00)
I don't know David, what does a house wear?

David (33:03)
Funny you should ask, Mike. Address.

Mike (33:05)
That is clever. Thank you, Alan.

David (33:09)
Thank you, Alan. Okay, what's your second second?

Mike (33:12)
You can do your second. Okay. I have to find mine.

David (33:15)
This one is relevant to our discussion today. What musical instrument might you find in your bathroom?

Mike (33:24)
A tubba.

David (33:26)
Gosh, you're close. You're so smart. A two by toothpaste.

Mike (33:30)
Tuba toothpaste!

David (33:32)
Mike, I'm impressed. was really good. But I'm also secretly not so secretly glad that you didn't steal my thunder.

Mike (33:40)
I know, cause you're from Down Under. Exactly. Which is not where the Lanai Bowl is from. It is not from Down Under. It is from Hawaii. Hawaii. That's Lanai and a pineapple. I like it. This was my second bookmark.

David (33:42)
Hey, you find your second

What do you got? What's your second second, sir? Warm up, vocal warmups.

Mike (33:59)
What did the molecule say to the suspicious molecule?

David (34:03)
What did the molecule say to the suspicious molecule?

Mike (34:09)
I've got my eye on you.

David (34:14)
Ha ha!

Mike (34:16)
Well...

David (34:18)
When you said that, I mean, I went all over the place. Neutron, mean, covalent bond, all the ion you.

Mike (34:24)
Jimmy Neutron? I like that song. I can't remember it right now or I'd sing it. Sorry. Carry on.

David (34:26)
I love all the

in addition to books and libraries and bookstores and librarians. If you liked what you saw us do today, can you share that with people? Tell your friends, tell your family, because we are passionate. We love books and we love books for kids and we love our kids. And there's a of people out there who share that passion. So share this with them.

Mike (34:47)
That just made me think of if there are people out there that have things that have to do with helping get kids to read more, let us know about that because we would love to get involved with organizations that do things like get kids to read more, because that's kind of our thing. Get our kids to read and now we're doing it on a bigger level.

David (35:11)
Well, and Mike and I grew up loving to read and our girls, his two and my three all love to read and it is so powerful and so much fun. Mike, that was episode 49. had a great time.

Mike (35:24)
Stay tuned for episode

L. And we'll be back. Back, back, Do we want to wrap it up with the flourish?

David (35:35)
My glasses just broke. Hey. ⁓

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