Dads on Books

I'm Mike Walker.
I'm David Patrick.
We are Dads on Books. Dads on books. Two minutes later, but we are dads on books. We're addicted to books. We sit on books. And we even talk about books. Welcome to another episode of
Dads on Books. Books. Books. I should put that on something. Are you recording? I am.
Yay. I just started my stopwatch.
Oh, cool. Me, too.
Yay.
I'm Mike.
And I'm David.
And we are
Dads on books.
Books. Episode 10.
We hit the double digits.
We sure did. Or as the Romans would say, X. Would they say X?
I don't know.
They wrote X.
We should probably not bring this up again cuz then you might be my ex. Oh, goodness gracious. We crack ourselves up.
And hopefully you maybe please
you keep coming back for more. So, in real time, I think we just released episode 4.
Okay. So, we dropped episode 4.
You dropped episode 4 the other day, and this was the week that we broke 100 listens.
Take the bus.
Uh, but I have a car.
Oh, but I mean, if you say You can save money and be green if you take the bus.
Oh, that's true. Maybe the L.
Yes. So, we're continuing our trend of reading books that are designed or written for an even older audience, which means they have even more pages and even more words and even fewer pictures.
And an older audience, we we mean kids, not us.
Yes.
We're probably above the average age that this is marketed to.
Correct. Do they do they market books back in the 1920s or 30s when this was written.
30s, I believe.
Yeah. Published in the 1930s. Yeah. Absolutely. So, uh, this is Little House in the Big Woods. It's the first book by Laura Ingles Wilder. She of Little House on the Prairie fame.
Yep.
All right. Thanks for listening. If you like what you heard, share it. And otherwise, we'll see you for episode Xi. Now, the reason we chose this book is I never read it as a kid. And Mike, did you?
No. My brother had the whole series and I know he read it, but I don't know why I didn't read it. I just didn't want to.
Well, let me ask you a question. Why did your brother Bill read it? Because if I recall, you don't have any sisters and this book is principally primarily read by girls. So, tell me that's true story. How did Bill come to read it?
Uh, I have no idea. I wish I could tell you.
Okay.
Because then I would sound really smart and and feel much better about my relationship with Bill. Sorry, Bill. I don't know everything about you. Uh,
hey, why don't you do me a favor? Why don't you call Bill volume one
right now? I can't call him.
Okay.
Anyway,
he works.
Oh.
Oh, I mean that sounded pet, didn't it?
Who does that?
That's so weird.
Oh my god.
Yeah. So, Bill had had the books and he read them. Yep. And you didn't.
And you sent a picture to me the other day.
Mhm. and probably posted it on Facebook. But the picture you took was the same set that my brother had. So it was probably printed in the ' 70s, maybe early 80s, I would imagine.
Your brother's was, you would imagine. But the set I bought, I was at uh A House with Books, which is my favorite local bookstore in Keller, Texas, where I live, and I went to go order one of the books that we've talked about on the podcast, The Sideways. Adventures of the the silly what did we just do? I know a sideways school summer. No. What's it called?
Sideways stories of wayside school.
That's the one.
So, you were totally not right on any of those points
whatsoever. But I did not mess up the name of a house with books. I went to a house with books to order that uh cuz I decided I liked it so much I needed it. And I had forgotten that they had just got in a bunch of used books that people donate that they sell. and they got in a very old looking collection of all of the Laura Engles Wilder books. And I said, "How much is that?" And they said, "We don't know. We have to price it first." And I said, "Do me a favor. I get first dibs on that." So next time I come in, and I forgot about it, but they put a little postit on it and said, "Hey, when David Patrick comes in, he'll talk about this." And I saw it and said, "Wait." And it was $7
for seven books.
For seven books. For seven brides. For seven brothers. And then when she rang it up, she goes, "Wait, you're a frequent flyer or whatever their club is called. She goes, "It's actually $5." So, I got it down to under a dollar a book, but they were published in
and what what was their name again? Cuz we should give them lots of free advertising since they're selling you books for very little cost.
Very little.
They are totally keeping us uh in our
afloat.
Afloat. I don't know. Yep.
Addicted.
I got it.
Got a book addiction. And they they keep giving them to us.
Yeah. They're they're not embezzling. Uh not embellishing. They're um Wow.
I know. Words are hard.
I go through this every day.
It's called A House with Books. It is our local bookstore here in Keller and they're wonderful. And typically when I read a book or you and I talk about a book rather, and I check it out from the library and I like it a lot, I buy it from them.
Awesome.
So, A House with Books in Keller, Texas, y'all. It's a tiny local bookstore and they're fantastic.
Cool.
So, I bought it yesterday was the actual day. And the edition that I got was printed in the early 50s.
Oh wow.
Yeah. So that's about 20 years after the first book was originally published. The book is older than my oldest brother. And um what's really cool when I got home is Lucy was reading A Little House in the Prairie, which I think is like the third book in the series.
Yep.
And I pulled out that book from the box that I just bought and I opened up to a page and I read it. It has the same illustrations of the very new edition that I have and it uh she was on the exact same page. So, the current box set that you can get printed today has the same drawings and exact same page numbers as the box set that came out when Eisenhower was president.
So, now that you say that, I'm actually wondering if that set that my brother read was actually my mother's because I I was just guessing it was from the 70s or 80s because that's when he read it,
right?
But it's very possible that we found it in our grandparents' basement and that's how he came about it. But we don't know. We'll talk about it next time. Yes.
Whenever we, you know, call him and interview him.
Yes. But for this time, we're going to talk about the fact that we read this book. So, I read the book and oh, one more thing. Origin story. I forgot to get to the origin story. I didn't read it. My sister did, but she was older enough than me that I didn't, you know, whatever. And that's and when I was a kid is when the TV series came out and I just never was into it. You know, it's for girls or just wasn't into it.
That's funny. I I actually liked the show. I don't know why. Probably because it was in English and we had just moved back from Germany and there was no TV.
Um
that's hilarious. So, it was on TV and you understood the language. That was your those are your criteria.
That was a pretty high bar to get over or under. Pass.
I love it.
Pass the bar.
I love it.
There's a joke about that with lawyers. Anyway, Go on.
Okay. So, Monica, my wife, was born and raised here, but her parents weren't.
So, they didn't really know what a lot of the classic books that kids in general or girls in particular read. So, she didn't read in America. So, she didn't read a lot of those books.
But my sister-in-law knew that. So, starting from when they were very young, she started buying the classics for our daughters.
Oh, that's cool.
And I think I think Sheila, my sister-in-law, I think she's the one who gave them or gave us the Little House on the Prairie books. And then at one point, Monica thought, I'm going to start reading these out loud to Delaney, my oldest. And I think she got through three books. So my first exposure to these books were, you know, I'm in the background or sitting there watching Monica read them to her and just listening. So I heard bits and pieces, but you know me, I don't want to know what's happening, right?
Don't listen. Don't listen. So I try not to listen.
Exactly. But the good news is I have a very bad memory. So, whatever I remembered or would have remembered from those readings, I didn't. And I was on the edge of my seat with this book.
It was riveting.
Riveting.
Riveting. Are we done talking about the beginning stuff?
Yes. Let's get into the book. Go ahead.
So, yeah. So, I I did find it almost riveting.
Mhm.
So much so that I finished the book and at the end of the book there's like 10 pages of the next book.
And I was like, "Oh, this is interesting. what's the next book about? So, I read that and immediately downloaded the second book and started reading it because I was riveted and really super interested. Oh, that's pretty cool.
Yeah.
Well, that explains why I was confused when I finished the book because yesterday you and I spoke, you had finished it. I hadn't finished it yet because you called me and we talked during the time that I was going to finish the book and you said, "Yeah, the the beginning of the next book is at the end of this one." So, I'm reading The Little House in the Big Woods. and I didn't experience that. So maybe
Oh
yeah, but back to the riveting or not riveting, there are definitely many moments where there is something plot oriented that you are on the edge of your seat kind of wondering, oh my goodness, what's going to happen?
Yes,
I won't spoil any of those, but at least one of those was spoiled by the illustration in the book shows where it's going before you read it. So come on editors, stop doing that. But so much
showed at the end of the chapter
or heck next page, you know.
Yeah.
Um but what I did love about the book from the very beginning, almost all of it is simply her describing her life
in great detail.
Great detail. Exactly. A lot of it just and then we did this and this is how we made that. I'm not going to call it riveting, but it was really really interesting and well written and I really did enjoy all of that.
Cool. I agree with you. Okay.
Yeah. I don't know about riveting cuz that sounds like something for an action book, right?
Or an action movie,
but yeah, the just the descriptions, you know, ma cut large slices of flaky white fish without one bone. Like I know that's probably not the best. That's just happens to be the page I'm open to, but
but they really get into or she really gets into writing about the details of what they did, how they lived.
Yes. And I thought it was really interesting because, you know, it wasn't that long ago that she was living this. And there is so much information in this book and especially the second book that just led me to go, "Oh my gosh, like so many people don't know any of this, like how to really farm and how to save your crops and and just the amazing things that they that she t talks about. I'm like, "Wow, this is so cool."
Yes. Because we get to go to the grocery store and just buy stuff,
right?
We are so far removed.
We don't have to go look and pick potatoes out of the ground
and store them, you know, fill the house with food so we're ready for winter.
Yeah.
And thrash the wheat as quickly as we can because if it rains or the oat oats rather, if it rains and gets wet, we're going to lose the entire crop.
Right.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
Oh, it's nuts. And speaking of nuts, there's even a part in the late summer where there's all kinds and nuts everywhere. There's walnuts and hazelnuts and acorns and they're grabbing all of them and they're storing them for the winter.
Yeah.
Like I I thought it was only squirrels that squirrel stuff away. Apparently humans did too for a long time.
Absolutely.
And the and the squirrels are like we have to human our nuts away.
I don't know.
That is funny.
But one of the things that I love so much and you mentioned that this wasn't that long ago and it wasn't cuz I think this was probably in the late 1800s. that she lived this,
right?
And here's why I say she. Laura Ingles Wilder is the author. And I'm reading the book and I'm not that far in and I'm sitting here going, "Wait, this is third person. The author refers to Laura,
right?"
And all the illustrations have three girls and they refer to three girls. And I'm like, "Wait." And then I I went to my daughters and I said, "Who actually is writing this book?" And my daughters, "Well, daddy, it's not the omnisient third person. It's actually the third person, but it's actually Laura writing in the third person. And I'm like, "Oh, yeah. I knew that." Cuz uh she mentions Laura, but the book's written by Laura. So Laura is referring to Laura in the third person. And you know, you pray to God for smart girls. And he's like, "Really? You sure you want them?" So anyway, pretty cool.
But yeah, it is interesting because she is telling the story of her childhood, but almost as an outsider.
You're right. Almost as the omnisient third person narrator, but now that I'm thinking about it, what kind of I'm not going to say gave it away. What made me realize that she was using the third per everything she talks about, she saw. Anything that happened to Paul when he was gone, he's talking about it and telling them. And it's such a simple literary device, but it's so cool because I didn't notice it at first and then I did. I'm like, "Oh, of course." It was so cool.
Yeah.
Another thing that I found interesting throughout is there were many different things pieces of knowledge that we use today that I learned where they came from. And an example is buttermilk.
Yeah.
When they're making I think when they're making cheese or
butter.
Yeah. When they're making butter,
they're churning butter.
They're churning butter and there's a type of milk that they take out of the process and drink and that's called buttermilk.
And there's Not actually butter in it. It's the milk from when you churn the butter to get the butter out of the milk.
Yes, exactly. And I thought, "Wow, that's buttermilk." And I I have I have used buttermilk quite recently and I have some, but that's not how I got it. I just went to Kroger and bought some buttermilk. But that's what buttermilk is.
Yes. And have you ever just drank buttermilk?
No,
I have not either. I've only made fried chicken that has been soaked in buttermilk, right,
for my family. And it actually got me wondering what does it taste like? Cuz I always probably before like a year ago.
Mhm.
I thought it was milk that had some sort of butter in it. And then at some point I looked it up and I was like, "Oh, they're taking the butter out." Now I get it.
They taking the butter out. That's why it's called buttermilk. You take milk.
Can it be unbutterm milk?
Yeah. You take milk, take the butter out, and then you have buttermilk.
And you take the good, you take the bad.
Exactly.
You take them both, and there you have
Okay. Here's the problem with you and me talking. I have 8 million things I want to say now.
Continue.
They take the good and take the bad. Really early on page 17 and 18 is when they have a pig and they do the same thing that Native Americans did with buffalo. They use every single part they can of the pig.
Yes.
He made a balloon out of the bladder. They of course uh cure all the different parts of the meat for the winter. They roasted and ate the tail. They made cracklings and they squeezed every last strap of lard out of the cracklings. And it it it goes back to, like I said, the buffalo, everything is scarcity here. They have to use absolutely everything. And everything they're doing is preparing for winter.
Yeah.
Like everything.
Everything.
Mhm.
Yeah. And even as you go through the story, once it gets out of winter, it just starts over.
Yeah.
It's just another let's make it through the next winter. Like, what do we need to do? What do we need to grow? How do we need to make this happen? How do we store things? What do we need to make? What do we need to repair? Yeah, exactly. As soon as winter's done, you are now preparing for next winter. Yeah, it's it's incredible.
And once again, amazing how easy our life is today compared to then.
But there's also in this book uh an example of what can make life easier when people work together.
Yes.
Because when they get together and do the thrashing of the oats, there's what's called the machine. And it's the first time Laura has ever seen not just the machine, a machine,
right?
That was really cool.
Any any kind.
Any kind. Her first time ever seeing a machine.
Wow.
She's seen tools and Paul has a gun,
but never a machine. And it also is an example of Yeah. horsepower actually was a thing because this particular machine that we see was an 8 horsepower oat thresher.
I thought that was funny, too. Or interesting.
Yeah, exactly. So, basically, they literally had eight horses, each tied to a pole and then tied to a an axle. And the axle turned another axle which went to a thrasher and turned that. And people fed wheat into it. And then out came parts of wheat that they needed to discard. The parts of wheat they kept for feeding the horses the oats over the winter because you're always preparing for winter. And then another cool thing that happened is the straws were expelled. And they of course threw those straws away, didn't they, Mike?
No. No, they didn't.
Well, what did they do with them, Mike?
Well, it's straw. So, they used it in the barn for the animals.
Exactly. But what else did they do? Do you remember?
Uh, yes. Oh, it's right on the tip of my tongue. I think somebody made a whip.
Uh, with with the way Laura behaved that one time when she slapped Mary up. Spoiler alert. Yeah, Paul had to do that once, but maybe he used a leather strap instead from that pig. No. Um, Ma made straw hats.
Oh, that's right. There is something about the Oh, maybe that's a second book.
Don't give it away. I haven't read it yet.
I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Oh my goodness. No, but anyway, the point is, yeah, they they use everything. Ma is always They're all always working. As soon as they're old enough to do something, they do it. If they're not old enough to do it, they learn to do it. And Ma made straw hats out of the straw. And it goes into pretty decent detail about how you do that. And I'm like, of course, I think of a straw hat as the styrofoam quote straw hat that I wore when I worked at Crystal's Pizza. and spaghetti in the 80s,
right?
But no, back in the day, Ma actually made straw hat from the straw from the harvest of the oat crop. That was pretty crazy.
That's pretty cool.
Mhm.
It's stuff like that that I just found really super interesting.
Yes.
Just like these little nuggets of information that we have forgotten.
And I actually had a thought while I was reading this and then moving on to the second book and I was like, if there's something ever happens I would love to have these two books with me if civilization, you know, crumbled because there's so much information in there. It's not all of the information, but it gives you the idea of what to do if
if you're in that situation. It's like, oh, okay, I've got to I need to grow these kinds of things, and this is kind of how you do it. You like separate things, and when you plant them, and so it's just super interesting.
Oh, totally. And and And while I was reading it, I thought the same thing. Have you ever read the book or seen the movie Into the Wild?
I don't think so.
It's a based on a true story. There was a kid, a guy, he he was my age. So, in like the early 90s, he traveled the country by himself and blew off his family. He ended up going into the wild of Alaska, living by himself, and he ended up uh not making it. And he shot a moose and was trying to preserve the moose. And I thought, gosh, if he had had little house in the big woods. He would have known how to smoke it.
Yeah. Right.
He would have cut the meat, hung it in strips, found a hollowedout tree, lit a fire in that tree, and smoked it for three or four days.
You know, I'm I'm sure that it's uh not easy to just find a hollowedout tree. But at least you have somewhere to start,
a concept, a process, something. And yeah, I thought of that, too. That's funny. Another thing that I thought was amazing is, and I was finishing the book this morning, and Monaco's with me, and I said, "Oh, that's That's why we call it skim milk. And she remembered that. Yeah. When you're making cheese, you skim some fat off of the milk. And of course, they eat the fat, love the fat. That's skim milk. That's not whole milk,
right? Yep. Because it's been skimmed. That is so funny.
And then Kurds and Weey. You save the Kurds to actually make cheese. And the girls would eat the way. And I'm like, eating her Kurds and way
Exactly. So Anyway, I'm sorry. And that's w a y anyway. Um, is what I Okay. Yeah,
you get the point.
But yeah, this book I just found it to be very interesting. Amazing story and stories. And one last thought that also I just loved. In the winter, yeah, it was harder, but in the winter they had more time.
Yep.
In the winter they slept more. It was like the human equivalent of uh hibernation. In the winter they had time for a to play the fiddle and sing songs and tell stories,
which that's actually something that I was thinking about was the storytelling in this is amazing. But the fact that she makes sure to tell about P telling stories, it's just kind of to me it's kind of this arc of, oh, this is how you got to the point where you wanted to tell your story.
Yes.
You know, and then um actually in her daughter actually helped her with these books and I read a bunch of stuff about that too. So that's a whole interest. Yeah, cuz I can't help myself. I'm like, "Oh, so why what's controversial about this?"
Mhm.
And yes, there is a lot of controversy about how they spoke about or to different people uh Native American African.
Yeah. So it's it's very interesting like and my take on that whole thing is Don't take that out of the book.
No,
this is a slice of life of these people.
And if you take anything out, you're losing part of their character.
Yes.
Good or bad.
Yes. Good. And
we have to teach the bad history, too.
We can't just gloss over everything. You say these things and then, oh, if you're in a class, like, why did they say that? Well, let's talk about it and discuss it and figure out why did people speak like that
about other people
or well yeah in a class but even more likely with these books if a parent is reading the book to the child or if the child reads it and hopefully there's a relationship and understanding where the parent the child might have a question and feel comfortable telling the parent you say well that's what they that's how they spoke or wrote back then
right
and that's bad and we don't do that anymore but we're not going to judge them and we're certainly not going to censor their work or cancel their work because it's important to know the context and the culture and all those things. Yeah, I agree.
And does it make does it make you feel weird? Um, sure. It should.
Mhm.
It should make you feel something.
Mhm.
And hey, if that's what it does to make you think about how you're treating people. Sometimes I feel like that's the part of books and stories that people miss.
Yes. So, I did find it interesting. Another little nugget of truth of the uh the writing of the books. Her daughter Rose helped her with all of it. But I guess in the last two books, you can really see more of Rose's personality in the writing.
Oh, wow. Cool.
Which is very interesting because I guess they were related somehow to the Roosevelts and she did not like the Roosevelts. FDR.
Yeah. Like maybe hate's a strong word,
but close hate adjacent,
but did not did not agree with his politics or any of the New Deal stuff that they were trying to do. So I I found that very interesting that, you know, 14th Cousins once removed. I'm sure that you can parse that out and figure out where that was,
but not me.
No, but um I think I knew certain of those things from when Monica read it. to the girls a few years ago and I may have researched it some myself and I'm glad that's why I forget stuff and I purposely didn't research it and I don't know if you discovered this in your research. Monica mentioned yesterday that her real life was actually harder than is conveyed in these books and I'm sitting there going wow cuz while there wasn't anything tragic in this book man that was hard.
Yeah.
And also one thing I did do I did a little bit of research
when they first went when they first Yeah. A little bit. When they first went to town Which for Laura,
the first time she ever went to town,
went to a town and didn't know the sky was that big cuz they're in the woods all the time.
Yeah,
the town is about 5 hours from you cuz it's a real town. Cuz he said we were seven miles from town.
So I'm like, "Oh, Google Maps." Sure enough, the town he mentioned is there. And guess what? They have not the original cabin, but a replica of it probably on the right spot.
Probably. That's kind of cool. I wonder how far that is from me.
Um, that's No, that's what I'm saying. I did It's It's about four and a half hours, maybe five at the most
from me.
From you. Yeah.
Oh, wow.
It's near the Minnesota border in, you know, far western, but kind of further up Wisconsin.
Okay.
So, uh I'm going to fly to your house one day.
Then we'll take a trip
uh with all of my girls, including Monica, and we will do a road trip, and we will write all of it off, and Dad's on books. Uh we'll pay for it.
Just don't tell the government.
Yes, Uncle Sam. It's legit. Here's my receipts. And it was research.
Ooh, Uncle Sam. There was something about that I can't remember now, though.
Well, there's lots of cool cultural stuff in there. Half the songs he sang, we knew them cuz we recognize the the rhythm and the lyrics and all that. So, there's even little parts of our culture that really are pertinent and relevant to us that are in it, too. So, it's really cool to see that. Oh, before I forget, the food. Sometimes when they're describing the food, especially when they actually do get together with a decent number of people, whether it's Christmas or Maple Sugar time at Grandpa's house.
Oh, yeah. Uh, and sure enough, I Googled, yes, there's 8 billion different Little House on the Prairie and House in the Big Woods cookbooks. But,
yeah,
even though the food was probably far more basic than what we're used to, and we take for granted that we can just Google and go to Kroger and buy anything we need to make food from anywhere around the world, she still made it sound absolutely delicious. Yep.
Especially given the work that went into it because she describes that and we know that.
And that's I have to imagine that the food wasn't all that terrific.
Yes.
But the fact that it took so much work to just have a dinner.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
Yes. And sometimes a meal was simply a byproduct of a process, whether it was buttermilk or
eating the whey when she separates the curds from the milk to make cheese.
Yeah.
And then another thing that happened towards the end as they're preparing for winter, P talks about or even maybe hunts and kills something. They haven't had fresh meat since the like beginning of spring or end of winter. Like all summer they don't have fresh meat cuz everything they capture they prepare prep for winter. Just incredible what we take for granted. Yeah. You know,
well, and even on that, there's a a little bit about when P goes out hunting and he's like, "Oh, I was sitting in the tree and a bear came by and I was getting ready to shoot it, but then I couldn't." So, it's very interesting. And then the deer come by and he's like, "No, I can't.
Too cute."
There's still a lot of humanity in that. There is, but also part of me was like, "But winter's coming. You have a family to I mean, there was tension." I was like, "I get it." Yeah. Now you're a vegetarian. I'm not. But still, it doesn't matter. The point is
you have to do something for your family. But you're right. He's like, "No, but he still has feelings." But where I thought it was going, and I'm glad you brought that up. You told me that the end of the book was almost going into as a prequel for the next one. And I know they moved around a lot. And I thought that he didn't bring anything home because maybe things were getting settled and more woods were being cleared and there weren't any animals. That's not where it went.
No,
but I was like, "Oh, P came home without anything." Okay, I smell a story. Here comes the story.
Here comes the story. Yep. There's a lot of stories.
Oh, yeah. And I'm looking forward to reading more of them.
Me, too. I I That's the one thing I hate about this is that we're only talking about this book mostly except for me. But now I have to go and read all five and a half books.
Yes. And there's even more, too. There's even other ones that are sort of like, you know, other authors, right? No,
don't don't tell me. Don't tell me. Don't tell me.
There's only seven. Um,
okay.
There's only seven Chronicles of Narnia.
There's so many other books that we need to get to.
That's true. And speaking of which, my youngest Lucy read this book recently, and I forgot that we're now recording this, but I've told you and done some posts on our socials. She's picked up Little House in the Prairie. She has seen me read, and without me saying anything, without her saying anything, she has picked up the series and is starting to go through it again.
That's awesome.
And to me, so our TV is broken. Our cable doesn't work right now. Our Netflix, our Disney Plus, none of it works. And
so you're living with Laura Engles Wild.
Well, the problem is, Mike, it's summer. I have too many chores to do, and I'm too tired to play the fiddle. But I will in winter, which is about two in Dallas Fort Worth, winter is about two weeks. So sometime during that week in January, I'll uh I'll play the fiddle.
Okay. Do you even know how to play the fiddle?
No. I have time to learn. As I said, winter is a week in January here, so I have plenty of time. Stay tuned.
Okay.
Anyway, so so stay tuned. So this is the end of episode 10, y'all. We're going to we're going to do 11 next. And we don't know what it is, but you will soon. And you'll tell all of your friends, right?
Yes. Yes, I will. Oh, that wasn't to me, was it?
That was to them.
Well, thank you for joining us again. This has been a lot of fun talking about this with you, David.
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